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Secession

22 Feb

What’s all this I keep hearing about Secession?  The subject is everywhere.  But where is it coming from?

Is this the talk of cowards, slackers (activists for hire), fools, or government employees? 

You may say, “All of the above”,

And you would be correct.

Think about it.  Even meditate on it. 

As we watch our brothers (for every man who demands liberty, is our brother) in the Ukraine fight Tyranny, do we see them seeking the ‘S’ word?  No!

The word would be repulsive to them.  As it should be to us.

Now, ask yourself, where you are hearing or reading about this subject.   Then ponder where they fit into the options provided above.   Where do they fit?  Coward, slacker (activist for hire), fool, or government employee.

Division is a key to the continued agenda of any Tyrant.  First divide, then conquer.  Secession offers them that opportunity.  It leave the problem intact.  It isolates opponents (those who would challenge their authority) and reduces the scope (size) of the battlefield.  In the examples I have seen, the new Country/State would be (with the exception of Texas) much smaller area of land, with virtually no natural resources.  In most cases isolated, without navigation or other means of transport.  Isolated, without a potential for Commerce.  Just look, for yourself, at the various maps.  Then see if you could, with this as your goal, even develop a more incompetent or disastrous idea.

When secession is discussed on the blog sites of America, it either involves areas (County) seceding from host States, to form a new State (just what good, in a corrupt national system, will that do?), or the proposition of the establishment of entirely new sovereigns.  Both cases involve (with the exception of Texas) pre-defined areas that would not require more than a blockade (land or sea) to conquer.  Many of these are landlocked, without even a navigable river.  In every case (including Texas), the Host Federal Government could, at its own discretion and timing, easily bring the “rebels” back into the fold.  This is a fear that Texas once lived under for years.  It was, in fact, the driving factor in Texas seeking admission into your Union in the first place.  That’s how it turned out for Texas.  Does anyone think it will be any different for an Idaho, an Arizona, or a Pennsylvania? 

If the cause is honorable, why should one need secession? 

Just because it is the easier, simpler, way?  To cut your losses and flee?

Are we really this lazy?  Are we that stupid? 

I think not.

Or is this (talk of Secession) the conspiracy of government trolls?  The aim of bureaucrats to enrage and encourage others (citizens) to act out in measures that can only be construed to be treason.  Thereby placing themselves outside of the law, alienating the masses, and even give the Tyrant the justification it craves to place its people under further surveillance.  Or worse.  

We all know what the ‘worse’ means. 

The slow but natural progression of Tyranny.  From control over, or dismantling of, the Internet services to those without permits, additional laws restricting movement or increasing the acquisition, and use, of personal and private (data) information.  Taxation.  Redistribution of wealth.  Inflation.  Eminent domain.  Selling of national assets and security.  Suspension of elections.  Martial law.  Re-education and labor camps. 

Secession need not be a subject for discussion.

If secession ever becomes a part of the equation, it must only be in the context of ‘reverse secession’. 

What do I mean?

The Exile of States.

If it is ever determined that an expulsion of certain people’s (States), based on their desire to be the subjects of Tyranny, or to bear the heavy yoke of slavery, should be permitted from the Union, then they should be allowed to do so.  We must free them to their own bondage.

Those States can then leave the Union to form their own concept of governance over themselves.  They can take the sitting national government with them.  Just move one (or ten) Senator, one (or twenty) Representative from Washington, and seat them in the new Countries.   Our new neighbors.

Three ways

Only one problem.  That part (mentioned above) where the problem is still intact?  That is the elephant in the room.  We have the right to pursue our happiness, without fear of our neighbor.  This cannot happen without Control.  The people cannot get this control but by two means.  Either they vote, with sufficient numbers, into office the type of leadership it will take to permit this ‘reverse secession’ to take place, or by Revolution, whereby the people forcibly remove the minority tyrants from their seats of power.   This is why we must continue to vote.   Until that option no longer is available to us. Then we will have no other choice but the second.  And exit, they will.

Those are the only two options available to us.  There are no other ways of doing this.

But one

The Federal Government, as it exists today, could offer ‘reverse secession’ now to those people’s and States who would wish to leave, to leave.

Even though that is this Government’s only hope of surviving, what do you think the chances of that are?  Even if they did, what would this become but a European North America?  The North American Metropolis.

Therefore, when the subject of a Constitutional Convention arises, put it down.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with the one we have.  When they speak of secession, tell them to cease.  That there might be people leaving, but not you.  We will not be the one’s leaving.  The tyrant, however, will be.  An America without Americans is just not an option.

We can no longer serve two masters.  But for us, there should never be any consideration of secession.  This is our country. 

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15 responses to “Secession

  1. Dannyboy53

    February 22, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Some interesting points to ponder ‘rat. But I’m with you on secession. We do not need to jump ship, we need to pitch the usurpers over the side. This is OUR ship! We need to be telling them “you are done here” then take appropriate action.

    I’m for keeping our Constitution as it is (if it ain’t broke…don’t fix it) and DEMAND under penalty of death that our Congress adheres to that most sacred of documents. Further insist that ALL “laws”, executive orders, court decisions, etc, that are in conflict be repealed immediately and any legislation considered at any time in the future must be Constitutionally based or the proposal must be thrown in the “round file”.

    In the mean time we will have about a thousand people in DC to be tried and then hanged by the neck until dead for Treason. That’s just for starters.

    As for the “reverse secession” you speak of, ‘Rat I honestly believe this would be almost as dangerous as our situation is now. Without sealing the borders up as tight as a hat band how would we prevent them from infiltrating the Constitutional Republic part of America? I believe the present regime and it’s followers is like a horrible cancer and must be eradicated, every last cell. The general populace can be reeducated with time but we are talking about at least two generations to be comfortably effective. We must outlaw communism AGAIN (it once was illegal) and never-ever allow anyone espousing those ideals in any way, shape, form, or fashion, to hold public office from city level all the way to the top!

    “…give the Tyrant the justification it craves to place its people under further surveillance. Or worse.” I think this is the basis for everything that goes on from here on out.

     
    • The Soffitrat

      February 22, 2014 at 10:24 pm

      Subliminally, I took it down to only one solution. Hope you caught that.

      Just stay away from the Carolyn’s and the nut case guerrillas. They’re going to get people hurt before the dance even begins. You’re doing what is right and smart.

       
      • Dannyboy53

        February 22, 2014 at 10:55 pm

        I think we both are “right and smart”! We’re angry, with a measured response!

         
        • The Soffitrat

          February 22, 2014 at 10:57 pm

          Yep. I just hope that the government agitators don’t get too many good men killed doing their bidding.

           
  2. militialaw

    February 22, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    I respectfully disagree on both points.

    First, the Ukrainian rebels are Soros backed, Obama loved, and EU supported because they are hard left socialists. While the status quo is no friend of individual liberty by any means, those “common folks” in the streets were as statist as the PM…they just wanted the EU to take them over instead of Russia.

    Russia is a lot of things, but it is anti-EU and keeps those rotten scum in check which makes them an enemy of my enemy.

    While I think Americans can learn a lot about how to handle the coming rebellion from the rebels, ideology isn’t one of them.

    Second, peaceful secession is the last best hope to end the DC tyranny. The US is too big and too diverse to support a single national government. When you have over 300 million people in a place, and half(!) of them sucking off the DC teet, there is no way you can implement a responsive, liberty loving, national government.

    I’ve heard it said “Chicago aint Illinois, Los Angeles aint California and Dallas aint Texas” to explain the goal behind secession. I agree. I have nothing to do with the folks in my neck of the woods other than an arbitrary boundary that says I am the same as them.

    It’s think its ok to admit our little experiment in governance worked for a bit, but now that it has become a literal all powerful police state, its time to heave it onto the dungheap of history and let locals run the local government.

    It’s going to suck the US breaks apart on my watch, but I didn’t start the problems. I just have to deal with half my income going to taxes, every item I own being regulated by a bureaucrat in DC, and an ever increasing federal govt creeping into the smallest parts of my local government.

    I’m sick of it, and since voting can’t going to solve the DC problem, well, if peaceful secession isn’t the solution, I’d like to know what is.

     
    • Dannyboy53

      February 23, 2014 at 12:16 am

      Good points militialaw. But I must respectfully disagree with heaving it “on the dungheap” and/or “peaceful secession.There is no doubt in my mind that you know how government was supposed to be in the beginning, very small footprint…almost invisible! States were to run the business of the states and the Feds were simply to provide for the common defense (coordinate the states’ militia) and facilitate trade, in a nutshell! That is where they should be today, not all up in our highways, education, money, labor, industry, agriculture, etc…what the hell is that all about? Somewhere, at some point in time we took our eye off the ball and this is what we have ended up with.These departments should not exist! This is states business (we’re talking Tenth here!) and none of the Fed’s. “…an ever increasing federal govt creeping into the smallest parts of my local government” is the gist of our problem! Government offices and personnel, as intended, should not take up more space than a city block today! We might be able to go back to that, very difficult I’ll admit, maybe even impossible this late in the game as so much damage has been done. And such a heavy infiltration of usurpers in every aspect of our lives. But I think we’ll all agree we have to try.

      So how do we envision states operating in the environment originally intended by the Founders? Pretty darned successful I think we would all agree, a happy place…maybe even utopia! Almost never hearing a peep out of the federal government. I feel “throwing the baby out with the bath water” (heaving it on the dungheap) is a wee bit extreme, so is secession in my mind. Separating ourselves from them, I believe, is not an acceptable fix. The employees of the regime in the Supreme Court would raise heck and prop it with a stick. Not that I would give a big fat rats butt, but that is the first thing we would have to deal with. The same question that people dealt with 153 years ago.

      My wife and I are struggling along with many here in Arkansas this past week in fighting Obamacare, sending emails and making phone calls…why should we even be having this damned conversation with state legislators in Little Rock?! This is none of the regimes business, this is Arkansas’ business, this is unConstitutional.

      However, we shouldn’t burn down the barn to get rid of the rats, just toss in some cats and clean it up!

       
      • militialaw

        February 24, 2014 at 6:27 pm

        Being raised practically swathed in red, white, and blue, plus swearing an oath to uphold the Constitution, it has been difficult for me to see the USA as worthy of a dung heap.

        But it occurred to me:

        Abortions are Constitutional.
        The ’68 Gun Ban is Constitutional.
        The family courts are Constitutional.
        Obama’s presidency is Constitutional.
        Just to name a few.

        I noted that these abominations were approved by a Constitutional executive branch, a Constitutional legislature and a Constitutional court.

        Are you noticing what I noticed?

        The Constitution keeps showing up.

        So, to summarize Mr. Spooner, either the Constitution gave us this govt or it was powerless to stp it.

        I’ve always heard folks say “if the govt would just obey the Constitution, we’d be ok.” But it seems to me that the govt has been following the Constitution.

        So when SCOTUS says “Killing pre-born babies is in the Constitution” how can you argue that if the Constitution gives SCOTUS the power to say that?

        When SCOTUS says “Reasonble gun control is in the Constitution” what’s your counter-argument if the Constitution gives the Court that power to say that?

        I truly feel that its easier to start fresh than try to roll back the tide of DC.

        Anyways, I enjoy our comments on Soffit’s articles and I’ll pray for you and your family about the Obamacare issue.

         
        • The Soffitrat

          February 24, 2014 at 7:19 pm

          We’re all going to need help with Obamacare. Between just the two of us 🙂 I agree that we’d be better with a fresh start. Rolling back DC might take us another two hundred years.

           
        • Dannyboy53

          February 24, 2014 at 8:23 pm

          While I think I understand your point I must say I hold to the premise that much of what has been done in the name of the Constitution is illegitimate. As to the Gun Control Act of 1968, I feel it is in direct conflict with the 2nd Amendment. Attempts at gun control go back as far as the Sullivan Act of 1911 in New York by the way! Then came the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Federal Firearms Act of 1938, these being the first of legislation on the Federal level. Roosevelt appointed several liberal Judges during his watch and liberal activism began to be more or less the norm. Many decisions for decades have been based on “case law” or interpretations of what a given Judge “thinks” the wording of the Constitution means. The Second Amendment is very plain and needs no interpretation in the opinion of many scholars and historical documentation of the intent of our Founders. I personally have no need for a rocket launcher nor a machine gun but again, the 2nd Amendment is very plain in it’s wording…”to keep and bear arms”. It does not specify what type of arms, if my neighbor desires fully automatic “arms” he has the right “to keep and bear” such.

          Abortion is a moral issue, both my wife and I are against abortion, we buried an infant son and those that have lost a child know what a life long painful experience it is. That is a matter not addressed in the Constitution therefore a decision that is constitutionally left to the states, NOT the Federal regime! At any rate, if the Court had the right to decide such an issue, Militia I can not see in the Constitution, by any stretch, wording that the SCOTUS could construe to support their decision in Roe v. Wade. I agree with you however, it is now the law of the land….and it doesn’t matter if I like it or not!

          The “family courts” is a matter not discussed in the Constitution, again, a matter for the states to handle. This, in effect, makes those actions or decisions by the regime indeed unConstitutional.

          The Kenyans’ Presidency, although a “done deal”, is again unConstitutional because proper vetting was not done strictly per law.

          I agree with the statement that Constitution/We the People could not or would not stop these gross perversions of the Law. This is our fault, the fault of generations and now we see we must own that apathy.

          “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

          An illegitimate “government” has been following a perversion of the Constitution for decades and we are led to believe this is the way of our Constitution. Forces have even gone so far as to rewrite history in order to reeducate people to “their” way of thinking. This is the hardest of all struggles we face.

          Militialaw I am grateful to you for your prayers in this endeavor in Arkansas, we need all the help we can get. And if God be on our side, who can be against us right?!

           
    • The Soffitrat

      February 23, 2014 at 3:43 am

      Militia. I want both sides of every argument on this site. While I understand your views, if you will note, I left no option other than Revolution. Hypothesis is one thing. Reality can be quite another. What comes afterwards, we do not know. I incorporated a part (at least) of what you suggest in my commentary. We are not opposed as to what we foresee to be the ultimate outcome or the reasons for that outcome. How we get there (the breakup), I think we may. Secession is not, IMHO, the way to do it. Not, and succeed. First, the FedGov will never permit it. All it would do is to set up those individuals for an easy kill. Since the third scenario will never happen, and we will never see the first, it leaves us but one option. A breakup prior to revolt, will not serve us well.

       
      • militialaw

        February 24, 2014 at 4:58 pm

        You did make the point regarding revolution, unfortunately it was missed by me.

        I guess what I’m thinking is that secession should be on the table to normalize it and make it a “reasonable” alternative to violence. If it can become a part of the national debate then it would be possible to accomplish it without the concern that the feds can bloodily drag the state back into the fold.

        I suppose it would be very risky to attempt it now, but that’s more the reason it should be openly advocated and discussed. Perhaps the time will come when the DC can’t count on all those southern boys in their military to engage in an kinetic attempt to force certain States back in if they made the decision to leave.

        I keep hearing how the military won’t attack Americans for their guns, maybe we can get a pledge they won’t attack Americans if they make a decision to leave?

         
        • The Soffitrat

          February 24, 2014 at 5:29 pm

          I doubt it. (That they will ever let one of us go) The way the PTB are decimating our military, they won’t have to worry about them firing on the People. The only one’s left will be gangbangers, queers, and women. None of which will contest an illegal order.

           
        • Dannyboy53

          February 24, 2014 at 8:43 pm

          We should, as your early American ancestors did, try to resolve this without bloodshed but I,regrettably, don’t think that is going to happen. They tried for what…ten years?! My hat is off to them.

          I say “your” ancestors because mine came to America from Ireland about 1845, so they were a little late to get in on that debate!

          “I keep hearing how the military won’t attack Americans for their guns, maybe we can get a pledge they won’t attack Americans if they make a decision to leave?”

          That would be most acceptable on both accounts! My take on the first scenario is, attacking us or imprisoning Americans is unlikely but I guess we will know for sure when/if that time comes. I think leaving the Union is unlikely because of the circumstances and as Soffitrat said, the regime wont allow it, they will fight that tooth and nail. It is my belief this is a (supposedly) non-hostile takeover by Communism and anything other than occupation of the entire country is totally unacceptable.

           
  3. The Soffitrat

    February 24, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    Presactly, Danny. This is the peaceful takeover. They won’t fire a shot. Until they have to. Then they will take the gloves off and try everything in their power. They know, however, from Ukraine and Egypt, Libya, and even Greece, what will happen if the American people rise up and resist. After their position in the Ukraine, does anyone think for one second that Russia will sit by while this gov’t. exterminates its own citizens? They’ve cast their lot. Made their bed, so to speak. Even then, our military will not fire on the citizens. His Homeland Army might. Until they are all hanging from the public squares around the nation. Then, there will be no forgiveness for any of them. Or their families.

     
    • Dannyboy53

      February 24, 2014 at 11:22 pm

      This is in large part a reason for my belief the regime is fearful, seeing what is going on all over the world. The grumbling here in America is slowing to a crawl and people are starting to hit back. Not often enough or hard enough but they are getting angry! It is my fervent hope this “Homeland Army” will be totally annihilated for being the brown shirt treasonous animals they are.

       

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