Some things Should never change

06 Jan

Why didn’t we heed our Founding Fathers when it came to Islam?

Samuel Johnston, governor of North Carolina and member of the Constitution ratifying convention in 1788, likewise felt confident that Muslims should not, and hopefully would not, be allowed to become mainstream in American politics and public institutions—except in only two cases:

It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States.  Those who are Mahometans,   or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, but in one of two cases.

First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.

Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen.  I leave it to gentlemen’s candor to judge what probability there is of the people’s choosing men of different sentiments from themselves.

Could one argue that the American people have, indeed, laid aside the Christian religion altogether?  The Kenyan surely didn’t possess, conduct, or practice virtue in his lead up to taking office.

Referring to Mohammed, John Quincy Adams wrote:


James Iredell, a U.S. Supreme Court judge appointed by George Washington, articulated this point succinctly in 1788 in the debates on the wording of the Constitution:

But it is objected that the people of America may perhaps choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices…. But it is never to be supposed that the people of America will trust their dearest rights to persons who have no religion at all, or a religion materially different from their own.

Now history is being re-written (by Muslim sympathizers) that our Founders actually wanted Islam in this country!  These people must be identified.  For the day will come when the animals will rise up against their benefactors.  In those days, when they are hunted down and their nests burned, will not the hosts, as well, be held to account? 

Let us then not forget to address issues such as these.  Should a renewed Constitution (post-collapse) not allow citizens to hold those people (who skew and distort history) up to ridicule, and even punishment?  Is this not a dark place where evil and mischief dwells?  Will our highest chambers be revered places, as evidenced today, to house liars and cheats?  Or will we truly divorce ourselves from the errors of our past?  Whether it be Islam or Communism, makes little difference.  Both are devised and sent forth to sew discord and division among us for their own sakes.  For governments of retribution, abuse, and persecution.  Our founders could not find the words, nor the reasons, for such drastic measures.  Can we?  Should we?  Perhaps if all of the Progressive Federalists have been departed from us, it won’t become necessary.  Then leave it (Constitution) as is written.


Posted by on January 6, 2014 in Sons of Liberty


8 responses to “Some things Should never change

  1. rogerunited

    January 7, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Jefferson was a libertarian and a bit of an “ivory tower intellectual” if we’re honest. He had that whole “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg” thing.

    Of course, now we have a [probable] muslim president who picks our pockets and gives the money to those who would do much more than break our legs!

    However, Jefferson was apparently against appeasement of the muslim jihadis,oops, I mean Barbary pirates, so he probably saw the danger of islam even if his personal philosophy wouldn’t let him side with banning them from the US.

    Then there’s article 11 from the Treaty of Tripoli during John Adams’ presidency:

    “Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

    We have been a conflicted bunch since the beginning, a Christian culture heavily influenced by Enlightenment rationalism and empiricism combined with mercantilism (until the c. the1930s) and a national focus on commerce. Schizophrenic might be a bit strong, but, then again, it might not!

    • Soffitrat

      January 7, 2014 at 8:51 pm

      No, that word actually fits perfectly. I think you touched on the answer when you stressed commerce and peace with all nations. But where does that leave us today?

      • rogerunited

        January 7, 2014 at 9:00 pm

        Where does that leave us today?
        Fractured and on the verge of a break up that will probably be very violent and bring down the global economy. Fun times!

        Seriously, though, I only see two possible scenarios:
        1. Extreme tyranny to keep the various factions of US society together. Very unstable.
        2. Break up-Either the states get their sovereignity back or we split into several smaller political bodies. Either will lead to a reshuffling of population.

        I think either way there will be violence, the question is how much and for how long. I don’t see how the economy can survive in the short term in either scenario.

        I can’t predict what might happen in other countries in response to these events.

        • Soffitrat

          January 7, 2014 at 11:22 pm

          I agree totally with this assessment. I think (and I have reservations) that a few of the States are already preparing for this. However, Texas failed the first test over the TSA thing when the Federals threaten to shut down all Texas airports. They forgot that Texas basically controls all air traffic. Two phone calls from the Governor would have shut down every airport in the country. We could have said, “OK” and then asked American and Southwest to cease operations until further notice. The Feds would have begun craw fishing within an hour. But our Governor, Mr. No Nutts (the same one that couldn’t put two sentences together in the debates), dropped the ball and cratered. Cratering to the Wizzard is going to be a problem in most of our States.

        • Dannyboy53

          January 9, 2014 at 5:29 pm

          Like Soffitrat I also am in agreement. The second scenario may be an attractive prospect to many folks but I don’t believe it will cure our ills. The problem, in my humble opinion, will still be there!

  2. brocktownsend

    January 8, 2014 at 10:31 am

    For the day will come when the animals will rise up against their benefactors. In those days, when they are hunted down and their nests burned, will not the hosts, as well, be held to account?

    Most assuredly.

    • Soffitrat

      January 8, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      I pray that we are right. There must be justice again in the free world.

      • Soffitrat

        January 9, 2014 at 8:21 pm

        Danny is right. Our problems will still be there. Until (and unless) we are adamant about refusing to pay our elected officials, and oversee their incomes (keep an eye on these). Until we are willing to pin them down to where there is no personal gain. Until we are willing to put term limits on them. We will never see a single man who cares more for his nation than he does himself. Yes, they will be broke when they get out of office, and for that we should cover their insurance for life. But that should be all. While in office, we should not even cover their housing or food. Maybe transportation, but only because we want them seated for debates and votes.


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